Pet Economics 101 Ultrasound in pet medicine: What it means, what it costs and why

February 9th, 2008  

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Patty - what sort of credentials would a DVM who is trained in ultrasound have specifically?

Alex February 9th, 2008 10:32:00 AM

I once chatted with my vet about this:
He told me that when he worked in the US (he worked in the NJ area), he would automatically forward the scan to vet radiologists to get another opinion, and he misses the fact that here (in Israel) he doesn't have such a service available.

On the other hand, we both agreed that it wouldn't be easy to get people here to pay for such services (and this is a pretty up-scale clinic). Not that ultrasound machines cost any less here than in the US (on the contrary).

Xslf February 9th, 2008 11:19:00 AM

I wonder if pet insurance covers this?

And this question is really a ruse to remind you that you were going to do a post on health insurance. I've been waiting with bated breath. (or more accurately my dog Dixie has.)

Larry February 9th, 2008 12:10:00 PM

Locally, there is a vet that travels with his equipment and does scans- I want to say they start at $250 a pop. My vet hospital that my cats go to- which I consider top-of-the-line owns it's own ultrasound equipment and I can get a basic scan for $50-$75. My personal vet whom I adore is actually specializing in ultrasound- so that makes matters even better!

Trish February 9th, 2008 12:33:00 PM

My vets clinic has an ultrasound machine but has a board certified radiolgist that travels to the clinic once or twice a week for the ultrasounds. Bo's abdominal ultrasound (cat) in December was $255.

Jenny February 9th, 2008 03:50:00 PM

I didn't even know about the USB ultrasounds. How much difference would there be between the readings from a USB US and a 'free-standing machine' US if they were performed and read by someone with certification?

Sherri February 9th, 2008 08:33:00 PM

Alex: No credentials other than certification of completion of one of a large number of ultrasound courses. Unfortunately, the companies that sell you the ultrasound machine are often ready to hand out these certificates once you complete a 14-hour course. And that's not nearly enough. But that desn't mean I can't use an ultrasound machine and provide some value (even though I've only taken a short course). I can find my way around an abdomen pretty well. If I can email my images with my notes to a radiologist, this kind of ultrasound can be quite valuable. Than there's a vet I know 2 miles away who has NO certification but has excellent equipment and does tons of ultrasounds because he loves to do them. He's got great skills--but no proof of it anywhere on paper.

Someone certified in human ultrasound who also works on animals will have human certification--and this is gnerally a great indicator (as long as they'v been working on animals with a veterinarian for a solid amount of time--at least 6 months or so). All internists, oncologists, radiologists and cardiologists graduating after 1990 will typically have excellent ultrasound skills.

Unfortunately, it's a bit like the Wild West when it comes to ultrasounds in vet medicine. Because ultrasound techniques aren't covered indepth in all vet schools, because many clinics still don't treat ultrasound as a basic skill (as with X-rays, for example), and because no uniform certification exists (as for humans), it will remain a problem for owners trying to determine whether they're getting their money's worth or not.

I hope that clarifies things somewhat.

Dr. Patty Khuly February 10th, 2008 11:49:00 AM

Sherri: These neat little USB attached probes interest me for my level of skill because I can easily determine whether fluid is present in a mass or whether there are stones in a bladder. High-contrast type of images are reasonably achievable for simple things like this with one of these devices. They certainly have their place. But fine differences in contrast are difficult to discern with these so far. The new free standing machines are far superior in their ability to provide sharp images needed to make the difficult diagnoses ultrasounds are famous for--especially if you plan to send the images to a radiologists. Many will laugh you off if you try to send such technically rudimantary pictures.

Dr. Patty Khuly February 10th, 2008 11:53:00 AM

Larry: I am working on my pet insurance post. After my son's birthday party, OK? I'm freaking out with all my household single mom duties right now. Count yourself lucky I've got a cache of posts ready to go out once or twice a day for now!

Dr. Patty Khuly February 10th, 2008 11:55:00 AM

Thanks Dr. Patty. The original information in this post, plus your answer in the comments will help me with decision making about ultrasounds should one ever be ordered (for my pets, or perhaps even one of us humans, if those USB US's are used on humans too).

Sherri February 12th, 2008 04:35:00 PM

The USB ultrasound probes are FDA certified and are being used in many applications, today. There are many types of probes and specifications so I'd not worry about if it's a USB probe, but rather if the person using it knows what they are doing and are using the right equipment for the application. Using a low-frequency probe for cat imaging is just plain stupid, for example, but if the user and sales people don't understand what ultrasound is and does, it will be used and will look lousy. I have seen images with USB probes (~$5000 systems) that rival those from $25,000+ systems. They are scanning probes, however, not arrays so it's hard to compare them to a $500,000 system hospitals use!

Dave April 12th, 2008 09:47:00 PM

I have a cat who is positive for FIV and is very very sick. I finally found a vet who didn't just write this poor kitty off, but who worked with me, examined the cat again and took x-rays, the helped me to understand what was going on with my cat at this point. Cat is bone thin, not eating and the recommendation is to "put him down" due to poor quality of life. The only recommendation made was to have an ultrasound done on the cat to see exactly what's going on (x-rays showed so much fluid in the abdomen that no organs were visible, but the vet does feel a large mass in the kidney area). Bottom line - I want to have the ultrasound done so I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is nothing else I can do for my cat. But I don't want to put him thru much more trauma - this poor little thing has been thru enough. What do they have to do to him to perform the ultrasound? And do you think it's worth it at this point....?

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Emma Christie February 20th, 2009 07:33:14 AM

Is there any difference between human cardiac ultrasound systems and veterinary ultrasound systems?  The prices are greater for the human ones, but it seems like the higher frequency probes can be used on both?  If this is the case, why not buy vet ultrasounds which generally are more affordable?

Dave August 16th, 2009 12:28:23 AM

Thanks for the information

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